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lying. it's somebody's birthday today, hi, bob. >> hi. >> stay tuned for chris wallace interviews. yow don't want to miss it. i'm shannon bream. thanks for watching fox where captioned by closed captioning services, inc. >> chris: i'm chris wallace. the economy struggles and the nation's recovery is in jeopardy. with anemic job growth, a weak housing market and gridlock on capitol hill over our debt, what needs to be done to get america back on track? we'll ask a potential presidential candidate who just completed the first leg of her one nation bus tour, sarah palin. in an exclusive 2012 one on one interview. also, romney makes it official. how how strong is the frontrunner? we'll ask our sunday panel where the republican field
stands now. and our power players of the week. with words of wisdom to the class of 2011. all right now on "fox news sunday". >> chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. while the frontrunner for the republican presidential nomination officially got in the race this week, most of the focus was on a potential candidate who hasn't made her intentions known yet. we continue our 2012 one on one interview series with former governor sarah palin who joins us from arizona. and governor, welcome back to "fox news sunday". >> thank you so much, chris. >> chris: let's start with the economy and the bad news on friday. just 54,000 jobs were added in may. the lowest number in eight months. unemployment rose to 9.1%. when you add that to the four numbers on growth, on housing, on manufacturing, where are we
in this recovery? >> and you add, too, the fact that this quantitative easing one and two hasn't worked and talking about q e-3 already and the devalued dollar is an addition to the problem. president obama tried to explain to the public the other day that this is just a bump in the road but you know, you try telling that bump in the road analogy to those families out there trying to keep their homes, trying to keep their businesses afloat, trying to fund their child's college education and just fuel up their own vehicle and the people will tell you it is not a bump in the road, we have hit a brick wall. we know what the problem is. you ran through some of the stats that explain what the problem is and now we need to start talking about the see solutions and start ramping up growth, industry, production in the private sector or this sinking ship that we are on will soon be drowning in debt and in additional economic problems. we need to start talking about the solutions. >> chris: i'm going to get to
the solutions in a minute. president obama and his advisors note that in fact the trend lines have been good and the economy, the private sector added one million jobs in the last few months. let's take a look at what he said. >> we are facing some tough headwinds. lately it's high gas prices, the earthquake in japan and unease about the european situation. that is going to happen from time to time. there are going to be bumps on the road to recovery. >> chris: and while may was certainly a bad month, the president says that the trend lines, the general trend of the economy has been positive. >> the month of april was tough, too. there were jobs added to the marketplace, chris, but remember that was mcdonalded's out there with their big push to hire 50 some thousand people. so i think there were some numbers skewed last month, too. the point is this administration has got to be honest and candid with the american public.
bottom line is their plans for bigger government more federal control over the private sector, more regulations and burdensome mandates on the people and on our businesses is not working and we do need to shift gears and change course and it is very noble of president obama to want to stay and even go downither go down with the sinking ship. i prefer and many americans pump and power up the billing get rid of the unsustainable debt sinking the ship. we don't have to go the way of the titanic and this are things that have to be put in place right now before this ship does sink. we don't have to keep going down the road we are going down today. >> chris: let's talk about the debate. republican ares are sounding the familiar refrain cut spending, cut taxes, cut regulation. democrats say promote exports, targeted in viftment investment
big spending cuts would actually throw more people out of work. question, what would president palin do specifically to boost the economy? >> i would do the opposite direction of what the democrats and president obama have tried in the two and a half years. they already tried the nearly trillion dollars stimulus package and we still have 9.1% unemployment. we still have about a 17% underemployment rate. we are incurring more and more debt as we speak. it is just not working. what president palin would do is cut the federal budget making sure that we are not crowding out private sector in viftment and we will cut that spending. we have no choice. we are going broke. we are going bankrupt. we have absolutely no choice. and cut the burdensome regulations and mandates that quash the entrepreneurial spirit in america and burden our businesses. i would cut taxes. second highest corporate tax
rate in the world we are burdened with. we node to cut that to incentivize businesses to stay here in our shores in america and not to outsource all of these jobs and opportunities and then one of the most things, chris, that we have to engage in is unleashing our domestic energy opportunities. it does come down to drill, baby, drill, in addition to an all of the above energy policy that is nonexistent in the obama administration. energy is the key to prosperity tortion security and until we start tapping our domestic conventional and ail tern tirve sources of energy we are never going to get there. >> chris: you talked about the fact that we are going broke and i think everybody would agree with that. turn to the issue of the national debt. you say you don't believe treasury secretary geithner when talks about the drop dead date of a catastrophe if we fail to raise the debt limit.
moody says they will lower our credit rating for our debt unless we raise the debt limit by august 2 and also said they may lower our credit rating if we fail to come up with a serious reduction plan. so the question is wouldn't that be a financial disaster? >> i don't believe timothy itimothyritim neather geithner as he cries wolf. he has told us this four times now exri. >> chris: what about moody's saying what they are saying? >> that message is powerful and should be the warning to the american public to elect congressmen and women who hold the purse strings in the nation to quit incurring the debt. we rake in 6 to $8 billion a day via taxes and other revenue sorts.
if we prioritize on just the $6 billion to $8 billion a day and service our debt we don't have to raise that debt ceiling. we can make sure that we are funding the debt service and highest priorities first and other things have to wait, chris. we have no choice. it is connor powell sense. >> chris: you are say nothing deal for deficit reduction, don't raise the debt limit? >> i have -- i know that the debt ceiling will be raised whether i want it to be raised or not. there is a majority in congress both sides of the aisle that will raise the debt ceiling. ifty were in congress, though, i would be a no vote to raising the debt ceiling. i would send the message it is failed leadership in the white house and with our elected officials when they have allowed us to get to this breaking point if you will that moody's is warning about. i would vote no on the debt ceiling increase. it is just going to allow the big spenders another tool to continue to increase debt. so i believe that the debt ceiling would be raised but for
those who are already committed to voting for it they better get something out of it for we the people. they better get a balanced budget. they better get comeps rate cuts in federal spending that equate to the increase in debts because they are going to keep incurring more and more. how about senator begich, a democrat from alaska. he better get anwar in the deal, opening another source of energy in alaska. these folks better get something out of it. >> chris: let me move you along to another subject. do you support congressman paul ryan's plan to overhaul medicare? >> i do and i have from day one. it will save medicare and healthcare coverage that our esteemed elders in our country need. le i'm frustrated with the media in trying to skew his efforts to try to save and shore up medicare. what is being spun is this
misconception that he is trying to do away with medicare. no, what is going to do away with medicare is if we keep going down the road that we are on that obama wants us to go down because we will have a bankrupt medicare system and there will be no safety net unless we shore it up. >> what about the nonpartisan congressional budget office that says if you go ahead with the ryan plan and i want to point out as you well know it doesn't start for ten years and doesn't affect any one over 55 years of age but if you go with that plan which would turn a fee for service plan into a voucher system according to the congressional budget office that means that going forward, seniors have to pay more out of pocket for their healthcare. >> well, if we go forward the way we are going today it we will be bankrupt and have no medicare system at all. that is where those in the white house need to be honest with the lear american public d
let them know what we are facing here in the very soon to approach coming years. there is a need tore reform, chris. we have no choice. stl has to be changes. we have to remember, too, paul ryan's plan and i support it because i don't seize anything better or more fiscally sound out there. i plan to support it. his plans doesn't affect any one who is 255 and older today. another misconception out there perpetuated by the media and democrats making it sound likous esteemed elders today are going to b be harmed. they won't be harmd by this plan. >> chris: you said we should consider a quicker drawdown of forces in afghanistan and then you said this. with afghanistan, with iraq, too, and new with libya the cost of the war, the cost of the war has got to be considered. the question is would you pull some of our u.s. forces out of iraq, afghanistan, and libya
because we can't afford to kep them there? >> i would like to talk about each one of the areas specific pli because therspecifically be conditions that differ in each area. take achg. conditions have changed even -- take afc. conditions have changed when president karzai and acts like the host nation doesn't perhaps want us there or nato. nato as we help lead nato we are so concerned about civilians and making sure that civilian casualties are not strategy andind of strealg and yet that gets thrown back in our face and sounds like a message sent by president karzai that we are not wanted there. after everything we have done in aflg and the billions of dollars we have spent there to help rebuild their nation and quash the terrorist cells so that w we are protected on our own shores.
conditions have changed and we need to reevaluate the timeline we have -- i have great faith in petraeus and he which is folks with boots on the ground and on the frontlines. i trust that petraeus will know of this timeline that makes most sense for america's interests to be met in afghanistan. in live yarks conditions there we have to -- in libya, conditions there, we have to consider that what congress just passed via the resolution is a good thing and a good message to president obama. he has not been clear about what our mission is in libya and that is what the ross leution is asking. -that is what the resolution is asking. we are going to be spending billions of dollars there with a nebulous murky mission and that is not fair to the american public. we need to know what we are there for and if it is not explained very concisely we don't need to be in libya which is turning into a lif civil war
there. >> chris: quickly back to afghanistan and i want to move on to other things. quickry on ofg. afghanistan. saying the combination of karzai criticizing the mission and the cost factor that we should reconsider our dmitment, how long and what footprint we have in achg? >> with putting faith in general petraeus as he lines out a time line for the american public to understand, yes, those two factors, kris, that you mechtioned have got to re-evaluated.and revee val the host nation's ability to understand what we are trying to do for them and with them in their nation and the coffeehouse of war. three wars that we are -- and the cost of war. three wars we are engaged in and our country nearing bankruptcy we have to rethink everything we are doing with foreign aid and foreign intervention. we have to be sure it is america's interest first being met in each one of these nations and if there is an
opportunity to stay in afghanistan with general petraeus giedz t guidance to bt because of the conditions that have changed most recently i would support that. >> chris: let's get to your bus trip and to 2012 and i will ask you the question everybody has asked me when they heard you were going to be on the program. what are you up to? >> seems like i have answered this question a million times in the last week. and folks still i guess aren't understanding it, at least reporters don't seem to be understanding. even your own shep smith on fox news he announced that i was on some publicity tour. i wanted to say take it one step further. what omaha bank i publicizing on the tour. i'm publicizing americana and how important that we learn from our past and challenges and victories throughout american history to proceed forward, heady days, rough waters ahead of us, chris.
we have to make sure that we have a strong grasp of our foundational victories so we can move forward. >> chris: i got to ask you quickly about that. you realize that you messed up about paul revere, didn't you? revere it.what paul roux veer he warned the americans that the british were coming and we have to make sure that we were protecting ourselves and firearms.s and am mixes and the british had already been there for seven years in the area and part of paul revere's ride and it wasn't just one ride he was a kowrier and he was a messenger. part of his ride was to warn the british that were already there that you are not going succeed and take american arms. you are not going beat our own well armed persons individual private militia that we have. he did warn the british and in a shoutout got the type of
questions that was asked of me i answered candidly. and i know my person history. >> chris: i wasn't sure entirely before i asked you that question so i went on goog toll make sure that i knew as much and we both know now. but look, everybody is asking and i take you at your word that you wanted to celebrate america's history. but obviously you are a player in the 2012 campaign. has the response that you have got over the last week, has it changed your mind at all as you make the deliberation as to whether or not to run? >> it hasn't dhainged m changes to whether i want to be a candidate. the response that i have received on the trail from we the people, people saying please, somebody has got to be honest with the public and let americans understand where our country is headed. the socialized big government takeover type federal government policies that are burdening our economy and really stalling any potential
for growth and recovery in america, we have got to stop that agenda. who is liedin leading that age? president obama is diswrrks we have to turn things around in 2012. whether it is me throwing my name in the hat or supporting the right candidate the response has been great confirmation for the need of positive change in this country. >> chris: and you have always been real straight with me. halftime this week and obviously a lot of attention, a big response, does it make you lean more towards running? >> i tell you the response has -- i haven't interpreted as being about me, about being me as a candidate or a potential candidate. it has been about the message, chris. truly it has. it has been about the desire of the american public to get back to our foundational beliefs and our values, free market enterprise, freedoms for americans to make our own decisions instead of somebody else. at least far away government making the decision for us.
so it is not about me. zeroris: on a spectrum of is i'm not running and 100% is i'm in the race where are you now? >> still right in the middle. trying to figure out where the lay of the land will be as the weeks and months go by. >> chris: i want to talk about a don't remembercy. controversy. this week alaska o officials wl release thousand of pages of your e-mails as governor. are you worryd that some of those e-mails can be damaging? >> no, i think every rock in the palin household that could be kicked over and uncovered everything has already been kicked over. i don't think there is anything private in our family. a lot of the e-mails obviously weren't meant for public consumption. they are between staff members and probably between family members jcialtio. i'm sure people will capitalize
to go through 25,000 e-mails and take things out of context. they will never know the context of each of the e-mails or each of the issues that i was working on that day or in that time period. whatever, chris. it is like nothing surprises me any more. we will doing what we are doing and i will keep going 2350rd with solutions that i want to see apply to this great country the challenges that we are facing and things like that are going to be perhaps a distraction for others and they won't distract me. >> chris: one of your former advisors frank bailey has written a book and in it he says and he uses some of our e-mails because he stles the times the recipient of them. he says he was told to write fake letters to the editor under false names or spend hours manipulating polls by voting over the phone again and again. >> those are complete lies,
chris. i say it that frank bailey has ethical problems of his own. out of the 25,000 emplies i was in charge of in alaska in in our large administration, big things we were work only. only one person in the entire administration had to undergo ethics training and it was because of blunders that this individual frank bailey would engage in and result in. it was frank bailey who still under investigation today but making money off taking private e-mails from somebody after having hoarded them for some years. it was only frank bailey who was ordered to undergo ethics training so we have got some issues. >> chris: let's finally take a look at the republican presidential field as it stands now. this week when you were in boston you took some shots at the unofficial frontrunner mitt romney. you said that you criticized the individual mandate, the requirement that everybody get
healthcare insurance in romney care with the reform that he instituted in massachusetts. you said he will have a hard time attracting tea party activists. to you think there are some vulnerability and romney is the frontrunner? how strong a frontrunner do you think zenaid he is. >> i don't think it has take and shot or campaigning or rhetoric to speak to someone's record and it was a simple answer to one simple question about do you think romney would have a problem with the tea party movement jvment i said in that particular area he would. when it koments to healthcare and stanfor a state dwoft mandg what they should o or should not purchase in terms of healthcare but that is going to be a problem. he is already on the road to explaining why he would want a state government to mandate healthcare as opposed to what i did in the state of alaska and that was usher in as much as i could strong evangelical for ew
competition and more private decisions being made between the healthcare recipient and their doctor or insurance company. that is what he in gaged in and that is a difference. >> chris: roromney says it wast a federal plan, a one size fits all plan. it was a state plan. does that make a difference for you or is the idea of government telling people you have to buy insurance. is that still the wrong principle whether it is on the federal level or state level. >> i don't like local, state or federal level of government mandating anything in our lives and in our families and in our businesses unless it comes to saving lives. i do understand where mitt romney is going with that. obviously he is a supporter of the 10th amendment snd that is what is missing in this present administration anded is any respect for the 10th amendment for states rights and we need to get back to states rights. on the local level since i
opposed annexing in areas around our city borders because i knew that if neighborhoods wanted to be a part of a city, well, this he would mandate themselves in and invite themselves into a city. that is one example of even on a local level how dangerous it is for a poll six to start thinking they know more than the individual family, the individual business and we are r according to our own priorities make decisions and mandate and dictate to them local, state, federal level, it's not good. >> chris: let me move on real quickly. imgeeimgoing to invoke the ligg round rules on you. quick questions and quick answers. you would seem to be close toast all of the candidates to michele bachmann. is there room in the race for the two of you or would you split the same base of voters? >> we have differences too. i have many years of executive experience, too, and she hasler
strengths that she will add to the race. there is certainry room. the more the merrier. the more competition the better. >> chris: i want to put up the picture of the new hampshire union leader the ta day and yot see it there in arizona. the day after the visit. the clam bake ft was the lead story and the big picture on the front page and if you look over in the corner mit romney's formal announcement a little picture and story and page three. as a student and critic of the immediateddia, why do you think, governor, that you attract so much attention? >> i think there is a curiosity factor there still that is in play. i don't know. on i apologize if i stepped any of that p.r. that mitt romney need order want that the day. want -- needed or wanted that day. i do sincerely apologize. i didn't mean to step on anybody's toes.
>> chris: there are a lot of people that think that you love stepping on his toes? >> not his. i will step on the toes of those making poor decisions for our nation. i have faith that mitt romney is one who desires to make good sound fiscally responsible decisions for our nation. i don't have problems stepping on toes of those who keep screwing up. >> chris: governor, before i screw up i'm going to end this interview. thank you so much for joining us today. always a pleasure to talk with you. >> thank you so much. i appreciate you, chris, and now time to make the super. >> i have soup u. >> i have a cookbook for you. up next, the stalling on the economy recovery. and later, the gop race for president. where does it stand now?
by a truckot you got hit bay t it will take awhile to mend and that is what is happening to the economy, taking a awhile to mend. >> one look at the jobs report should be enough to show the white house it is time to get serious about cutting spending and dealing with our ailing compli. >> chris: presideneconomy. >> chris: president obama and speaker boehner with different reactions to the jobs report this week. time for our sunday group. bill kristol, mara liasson, kimberly stros sell and john podesta. both the new york times and the "wall street journal" i was amused to see yesterday used
the same metaphor to describe the economy in may. running out of steam. howchow much do we read into te may numbers? >> the white house is starting to suggest that we are in the hangover phase of the 2008 financial crisis that we had. i think the bigger question is whether or not what we aren't seeing is the consequence of the white house's policies itself right now. talk to anybody out there in the business community and what they say is uncertainty is absolutely killing us and a lot of it has been created by this administration. so, you know, trade 2k50e8s that haven't been done in years. what is going to happen to spending because if businesses say look if this deal doesn't get cut if big reforms aren't made, tax hikes are coming we have to pay them. regulations from the health bill, from the epa frrk, from e dodd frank financial regulation. and since they don't know what is coming they are not going spend money until they do capitals on strike and add in the gas prices and housing prices and this is what you get. >> john, is isn't just dewhat
the white house talks about bums and head winds, it isn't just one bad month. gdp growth 1.8% for the first quarter. housing prices back to 2002 levels. we wiped out a decade of housing equity. we still have 6.8 million fewer jobs than when the recession began in 2007. as john boehner likes to say, where are the jobs, where is the recovery? >> no question we are in a slow patch and particularly the runup in the press and oil and gas prices have nothinged down consumer confidence and stopped people from buying and that has had an effect on-the-job markets and the question is what to do about it. there are choices that the president laid out to restore the competitiveness of the country versus what the republicans are arguing for which is to go back to the policies that created the recession in the first place. i think that is the choice that is you the matily going to be fought out in the campaign.
in question that the president was hoping i think for a much moreau bust upstake in jobs. there have been 2.1 billion jobs created in the last 15 months. a million private sector jobs in the last six months grrks if things stay mired at this level that is a big challenge for the administration. >> chris: what makes this more disturbing is that, washington, seems out of conventional tools that it has traditionally used to try to get a short-term boost in the economy. no money and no appetite for another big stimulus program. the federal reserve is not interested in pumping trillions of dollars more into the economy. where do we go from here 234-6789. >> i suppose the question is are high unemployment and slow growth a bug in the economy or the future of the new economy. and secondly is this something we are condemned to for years and decades because of deep structural problems or the result of some degree of
president obama's policies and p republicans are going to have to argue both i think that we are not condemned to this future, we are not condemned to a future of slow growth and european levels of unemployment and there are policies available to reduce deficit and spur job creation and president obama to vote for a difficult situation and make things worse. >> i think that will be the republican argument. for the white house there is no way to spin this i think as a positive. the economy needs more than 200,000 jobs created for their unemployment rate to be below 8% by election day and that is kind of the magic number. >> chris: 54,000 jobs. >> is way below. and it was over 200 the month before. i think the lack of consumer confidence is at the root of this. kim talked about businesses being uncertain but corporate profits at an all-time high and wall street doing great.
>> chris: not as great in the last five weeks. >> not real recently but this will be tough because the white house was hoping to argue that things are getting better. the truth about the stimulus is without it things would have been much worse. makes a really unsatisfying campaign message. the reelection campaign of president obama is going to be much more difficult in 2008 and got a lot hard they are week. >> kim, let me ask you about this and i would love you to ensure gage our political insider john, and john you can go right back at kim on this. republicans pulled out a graph this week and it is a graph that the obama team used and you can see it right there in 2009 to settle the big stimulus package. it projected with the stimulus unemployment would be below 7% by now. obviously it is 9.1%. which raises the question has the obama plan to turn around the economy failed? >> well, here is the big consequence of the obama
stimulus. the debate reare having right now about debt and hugh to pay for all of the spending that we have had and that is why mood. >> has come out with its thing saying you have got to get it done and why there is so much uncertainty in the business community. aasmara said, the argument is t would have been worse but there is no way of knowing that. you have made the business community and american public incredibly anxious about how we are going to pay for all of this and they are worryd that tax hikes are coming. as mara said, there is a lot of money throughout but people are not spending it because they are worried about what is going happen. >> chris: at a quote you gave the new york times magazine this last january you said there are a lot of people that are concerned. this is january, not may. a lot of people are concerned that the white house has not focused like a laser ontd economy and after the stimulus plan it luciana they spent time thinking what bill can we and whether it is financial reef
form or obama care and that the problem is that they got off the ball. they took their eye off the ball of the economy and that was next to keep the recovery going. >> i think they have got that message and i think the president spent the spring, he spent arnlgting i arching it ue state of the union, thried to the administration to get jobs to move forward again. creating an infrastructure bank supported by the chamber of commerce and the afl-cio. rare but can't seem to move on capitol hill. he needs a way i guess guess to find common ground with the republicans in the house and that i think has been elusive to say the least. >> i think that, you know, the real question now and i think competenceg on come be tense really is the question of whether the republicans are going to continue to kind of
stage these show coats on the debt limit or get serious and try to work something out and move forward with a dect reduction plan gla show vote on the debt limit. >> this is what democrats wanted. they said let's have a clean debt limit vote so that is what they do. >> and went down with a crushing defeat and you have a bunch of democrats who voted it down. >> democrats voted against t because they understand the people want spending reform. >> he gaif gave that speech on april 13th in georgetown when i attacked and basically started employing the metascare tactics. i don't think it is an accident that people have lost confidence in the last two months. i think it has hurt him politically. remember earlier this year he was going to compromise and getting serious about the debt, that could be a moment when people went back and said he looked for a short-term political benefit.
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the road. no, mr. president, that is not a pump, that is americans. >> chris: former governor mitt romney ripping the president for the comment on the unemployment numbers. bill, what do you think of the romney rollout and his singular focus on jobs and the economy? >> he has been running a long time so it as rollout for those in washington who followed those things. i'm not sure the republican voters think oh, mitt romney is in the race, what is surprise. he has a formidable organization and ran second or third last niem. time. for all the people in washington that think he is a frontrunner he has won one election, governor of primarysetts and one pry nary in 2008. not clear that he deserves front runner status against a lot of other candidates who are running or who could get it. >> chris: one of the questions i have about romney, is he disconnected from where the heart and soul of the republican party is now?
none of the tea party fervor, none of the paul ryan house gop drive for reform, do you think that is a legitimate knock on thim. >> there is a question about whether he can connect with the tea party base of the republican party. however, that being said and a lot of people think he can't get the nomination and if he gets it he can't win the general. this was a good week for mitt romney to announce. job creation is his brand. he is the turn around artist. he can say that he created jobs. he also shed some when took over these companies. but -- >> shipped them everseas. >> but this is his issue and that is what this election is becoming about with a vengeance. i think that that really helps him. i also think in a weird way sarah palin helps mitt romney. every day she is on television she sucks the ook oxygen out oe room for people like tim
pawlenty or john huntsman. he has vastly more money than anybody else and if republicans think that obama is vulnerable and after this week he looks more so maybe they will think with their heads rather than their tea party hearts and think about somebody that could beat him rather than a michele bachmann. >> chris: you had written and i was going to quote to her a pretty tough column about her saying it is not enough to inspire you have to perspire about the nitty gritty and the tough issues. i will express my opinion before i ask you. i thought she was at good performance today. the first time that i saw her and thought this woman is a serious if she decides to run candidate for president and a serious possibility to be president. did she change your per opinion
at all. >> she was great. >> chris: this wasn't just you bet cha. she was sharp on positions. >> you laid out things like the economy and paul ryan's plan and she gave specific answers. that is what she has to do if she decides to throw her hat in the ring. this is not about her or per personality. a one man show and whether she has the ability to run the presidential campaign and raise the money that she would need to to this and her huge federal negatives. by putting in a lot of performances over the past couple of years she has alien eighted a lot of voters because she weighs in on most every issue and forces people to be for her or against her and that is one of the things she would have to deal with. >> chris: did you see any difference today than what you have seen in the past? >> she has to be presidential to run and that is focusing on policies and that is something that she has done less of as she has tried to connect with
voters on a personal level. she has to talk policy. >> chris: john? >> the one person that wants her in the race i will say something counter intuitive is romfy because i think that converts it to a two person race. and i think at the end of the day she is unelectable. negatives are sky high and she is gaffe prone and i think that the point about being able to compellingly lay out specific policies that are going to be appealing to the american public are low. and so i think romney wants to convert this to a two person race. >> chris: you think she would clear out all of the underbrush. >> because she is such a weak frontrunner against a field in which you see herman cain coming up anded takes the oxygen out o of the room for pawlenty or any one else. i think the republicans want to win and like lie go with romney. >> if there is a two person race with romney and palin,
christie will bet in. that is my prediction. >> and you don't think romney is acceptable. >> the least acceptable of the five or six major candidates. maybe he can make himself acceptable. >> you should defer to bill because if my memory serves me he was the person who watched sarah palin -- obituary.that in his oh bit >> a good spokesperson for the republican ticket for the ryan rubio ticket in 2012. >> mara, congressional republicans i want to go back to the debt and deficit who have been focusing this year, congressional republicans on the debt and on government spending and cutting the deficit. if the recovery continues to be in so much trouble, do they
have to shift their focus away from sort of the green eye shade bookkeeping to how to boost the economy and is there a familiar call for lower taxes and less regulation and less spending? is that enough and is that is a credible solution to boost the economy? >> they tried to do that this week and eric cantor has been talking about the jobs plan which to me is one and the same with the debt plan. for them, cutting the debt, cutting spending, cutting regulations that is their growth plan. i don't think it is enough. i don't think that either party really has a message or a program that really addresses the problem. the problem is that americans have soon their household incomes drop and their wealth drop and they are anxious about the economy and i don't think either side has an answer for that. >> kim? >> look, the republicans have two problems. one, they have actually got to make the connection to the people, this idea of cutting spending is related to job growth and cutting back regulation is related to job growth. they also have to do much more
about putting out their own positive growth agenda and corporate tax reform. they haven't done that well enough. you have seen air rack cantor and others try to pivot in the last two weeks to do this. it will be the main criticism issues tham they are just complaining and have nothing themselves. >> i think they look back on the bush years and say the problem was that you didn't do enough. let's cut taxes more for the wealthiest americans. try to cut ned did medicare nt medicaid. they don't have an investment aagain da and i think that is a choice that bill talked about the georgetown speech. i think that is a choice that obama wants. he wants to present the case before the middle case being for a competitive economy. economy. >> chris: how do you push back on that? >> the republicans have to have a positive growth agenda of their own and it is not going
back. >> chris: what about the argument it is just more of the same that got into us into the mess. >> the second highest corporate tax rate in the world was one of the things that got us into the mess. going back to scut that is not going back to old problems, it is fixing one of the problems. >> obama is for that. >> they can be focused on big business and corporate tax rates jshts th. small business creates most of the jobs and that is a regulatory matter. an individual tax rate matter i think. >> but they have to still. >> chris: thank you all, panel. we will continue the conversation on panel plus. check out the aforemexica fored panel plus where our group picks up with the discussion on our website foxnewssunday.com. up next, our power players of the week. [ male announcer ] millions of men 45 and older
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